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Documenting your A/C Water Leaks |
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gmandual
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Topic: Documenting your A/C Water LeaksPosted: 25 Jul 2010 at 5:50pm |
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Ok, it seems that there have been more then a few people with water leaks that is caused by condensation in A/C unit leaking into the trailer. While I am not going to get into the whole thing on how folks can fix it themselves, I wanted to give folks enough know how to document their leaks and present the information to the dealer so they can get it fixed.
The two most common causes of leaks are:
#1 Condensation drain holes plugged in unit so condensation overflows condensation pan into trailer.
#2 Seal around base of A/C unit installed properly or is damaged allow condensation/rain to enter into the trailer.
Regardless of the cause its important to be able to document how much water is coming into the trailer, and exactly where the water is appearing. There is no better way to do this then using plenty of photo's and/or video. Taking pictures of the white plastic cover on doesn't show much to the dealer/tech so I put some photo's together on how to take the cover off to better determine source of the water.
There are a total of 8 screws that hold the plastic assembly up to the roof of the cabin. Four of them are circled in picture below.
![]() There are two more; one at each end of the unit
![]() Then there are two under the plastic side vent things. You can carefully remove the side vents to get at the screws. You just gently bend them to pop them out. TO get at the screw below.
![]() Ok, the cover should basically fall off once those screws are removed. If it doesn't double check your unit to make sure there isn't another screw. Their might be variations in make/model on the different units. Mine is a 2010 172.
Once cover is off, you will see a big grey plastic/metal piece. This is the piece that literaly holds the AC unit to the trailer. There are four main bolts that hold the AC unit to the trailer. (DON'T REMOVE THOSE)
![]() ![]() Now if you are experiencing a leak. Look around to try to determine where the water is running out of the above assembly. Is it comming out the sides, the air intake, the returns, etc. And take plenty of photos.
The AC unit makes up a sandwich. With AC unit on top, a thick foam rubber seal, the roof, then the bottom bracket. The bolts hold everything together at the right tension to keep unwanted water out. If you look up into the holes in your unit you can see the large foam gasket and assess how possible sources of leaks.
In the picture below you can see that the gasket is nice and flush, its under compression and doesn't appear to have any damage or leaks.
![]() The same in this next picture. You can see the foam gasket is flush with the opening. The duct tape, opening and foam is all flush and well attached.
![]() Now in the next picture youc an see a potential problem. This is looking up the left air hole which is on the left in picture #4 above. The foam gasket protrudes about 3/4 of an inch into the air intake vent. It is not flat but is angling down somewhat. What has happened is when unit was torqued down the gasket squished out of the gap and into the air instake opening. In the example below, its not leaking but if it had squished in 1/4 of an inch more it could have been leaking.
![]() The cover goes back on just as easily as it came off. Just reverse your disassembly instructions. It helps if you have someone to hold the piece while you are taking it on or off.
I hope this helps those of you are experiencing leaks. All this takes is a philips screw driver and a camera and you should be able to take enough pictures to document where water is coming from which should go a long way towards getting your dealer to fix things for you. Its hard to argue with photos.
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Ratdog
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Posted: 25 Jul 2010 at 6:25pm |
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Gman - Good stuff!
I just wanted to add that some pods have the controls mounted directly on the unit itself. Yours and mine (I have a 177) have wall mounted controls. That may add a step in the removal of the inside cover for possibly removing the knobs. Here's what I mean. This is a 2010 RP-173 (scroll through the thumbnails until you get to the A/C photo):
BTW, Gman, I want to commend you on the excellent, clear, concise, and detailed explanations and instructions you provide in this forum, not just with this A/C thread, but with electrical, heating, plumbing, and all the other systems you have addressed. This can be complicated stuff, especially to newcomers to RVing. I am (well, I used to be) a technical writer. It was my job to take the work of engineers and rewrite it so the average non-technical person could read and understand it. You mentioned in another thread that you're an engineer. My dad was an engineer, I grew up around engineers, I studied engineering in college, and I worked many years with engineers. My experience has shown that, as a group, engineers have great difficulty explaining technical stuff to the layman. You are among a very small percentage of engineers who have a talent (and the patience) for doing this. Good job. All of us on this forum are lucky to have you.
-- Steve
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gmandual
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Posted: 25 Jul 2010 at 8:50pm |
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Thanks Steve,
I taught at a univerisity for a number of years which really made me think about how I presented information. I hope my students at the time learned as much as I did in the process. It really helped me think about how I communicated information.
I knew the models where a bit different in some of the trailers but thought it was a difference in BTU's, not the controls. I agree with your assement that from the look of things all you would have to do is remove the knobs and the cover should come off. The cover on my unit (without knobs) has the holes in it with just that "dometic" sticker covering them up. So it looks like the same cover just with some different insides.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2010 at 1:04am |
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Excellent post G-Man ... thanks for the time and very clear steps to follow.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2010 at 2:32am |
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Gman you da man!
Thanks! I will follow your precise instructions and document our AC leak before taking it in next week to get fixed. Very cool!
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Posted: 27 Jul 2010 at 4:14am |
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Good job, wish I had thought of that.
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Linda
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Posted: 27 Jul 2010 at 1:39pm |
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Thanks Gman. One trick I learned as an equipment maintenance tech for discovering liquid leaks that are hard to find.... dry everything as best you can then stuff or tape papertowels everywhere. Then watch closely to determine what gets wet first. If you repeat this you can really zero in on a leak.
While you where looking did you find any possible bee entrances. I don't have any water leaks AC or Rain yet.
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Posted: 27 Jul 2010 at 1:46pm |
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Posted: 27 Jul 2010 at 1:52pm |
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I tackled the inside of the trailer as it was 102F here all weekend. I didn't see any obvious light coming in from outside (when looking from inside). But obviously condensation needs to get from the inside tray to drain outside. So there has to be holes and openings of some kind. Going to get pod moved into the shade this weekend so I can get up on top to install a ham radio antenna. This weekend and hope to get a good inspection of the outside of the ac unit and figure out where bugs are getting in.[/QUOTE]
Taller Half will be really interested in how you do the ham antenna.
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